Welcome to the joint review of the Deadly SpINS Greed, the third yo-yo in the series from Dan and Deadly SpINS!
My discovery of Deadly SpINS and their latest yo-yo happened pretty much by accident. I was browsing through the YoYoExpert inventory a few months ago checking out sale items when I stumbled across the Deadly SpINS Pride. I hadn’t actually heard much about it before and so off I went to the almighty Google to find out more. As it turns out, the Deadly SpINS Facebook page was in the process of heralding the arrival of the Deadly SpiNS Greed.
And so, as I am wont to do, I immediately contacted Deadly SpINS to find out more about the Greed. Dan from Deadly SpINS was kind enough to send me information to post on the site. Over the course of the continuing conversation I expressed interest in buying a Greed and Dan expressed interest in having it reviewed. Win-win! Dan also provided a second Greed so that we could do a joint review. A very big thanks to Dan for that (and watch for that second Greed as a prize in a future giveaway here or on the Throwers subreddit).
Anyway, that is enough of an intro. I am once again joined by Darren L. this latest joint review. Let’s get on with it!
The Deadly SpINS Greed
I imagine that most of you have noticed the theme of the seven deadly sins that is going on with Deadly SpINS. The Wrath was the first yo-yo designed by Dan and Deadly SpINS, followed on more recently by the Pride. The Greed is the third in the series, and its shape is actually reminiscent of the Wrath in some ways. Here is the official statement from Dan regarding his vision for the Greed:
“The Greed is based on concepts that I have tested extensively. The goal was to create a light feeling yo-yo that can handle quick and drastic direction changes. I wanted a yo-yo that pops around so easily that it almost feels out of control. The concept is that once the player gets to the point where they are used to this feeling, this “out of control” feeling becomes a true feeling of complete control. They can then push the boundaries of what’s considered normal play and push into eccentric less conventional play, all while still hitting hard on all other categories including incredibly long grinds, matador horizontal and advanced rejections.”
OK, with in mind, let’s look at the Deadly SpINS Greed more closely.
- Diameter: 56.0 mm
- Width: 43.4 mm
- Weight: 65.3 grams
- Bearing: Size C Type X Center Trac
- Response: CBC Slim Pads
- Material: 6061 aluminum
Size and Weight
DL: The Greed is fairly light and decently sized. It reminds me of the 2016 Benchmark W in profile. One welcome change from the Pride is the nice blasted finish. It’s silky soft and feels like the blast from C3 on the Imagine Breaker. It reminds me of my acrylic pens after a pass of 400-grit sandpaper with just a little bit of resistance and uniform texture.
JT: With a diameter of 56 mm and and weight just over 65 grams, the Greed’s dimensions seem to sit around the average mark. The upside of this is that it likely to appeal to a wider audience than something undersized or oversized. The weight is spread out nicely in space and the Greed feels neither ponderous nor too light.
DL: The Greed is a welcome change over the Pride. Where the Pride was extremely rim weighted with chunky H-shaped profile, the Greed has a more comfortable W shape. In a way, it is going back to the original design of the Wrath, what with the spike and the steps in the cup area.
JT: The shape of the Greed is similar to that used by the likes of the One Drop Gradient and MonkeyfingeR Caesar, although it pushes more towards a W/H-type hybrid rather than V/H-type. As a side note, I still think we need a U-type designation for such concave shapes.
The cup side has some material added by the rim to add some outer weight. There is also a very sharp hub spike. This is a feature that I wasn’t crazy about on the G2 Hawk that we recently reviewed. I can’t say that I am a fan here either from an aesthetic point of view. But that is purely subjective, and like the Hawk the sharp hub spikes do come in handy at times.
Bearing and Response
DL: I got a snag early on since the bearing was lubed – it came back with a tug. I assumed these were OD 10-balls by how quiet they were and the slight responsiveness, but after opening it up I see that it’s a concave bearing that was prelubed from the factory. I slipped in a broken-in concave bearing instead.
Even with the bearing swapped, it feels a little more responsive than I’d like. The Greed uses 19mm CBC slim pads, so I’d chalk the responsiveness up to either a narrower gap or slightly protruding pads.
JT: The Type X Center Trac bearing is a smooth player and I can’t imagine anyone disliking it. Of course, if you prefer flats then you will need to swap this one out. I myself like centering bearings and have no complaints. However, as Dan from Deadly SpINS warned us, the bearings come heavily lubed and run a bit slow as a result. They need a good cleaning in order to run optimally and unresponsively, so keep that in mind. This may not be an issue with all Greeds.
The CBC slims pads are fine and work well without getting in the way as long as you use slicker or thinner string. More on that later. The Greed also ships with an extra set of pads and axle, which is a nice touch.
DL: Wow, this is quiet and smooth. I know One Drop machined the Pride, and this feels no different. I don’t know where in the US it was machined, but the quality is very comparable. In terms of play, the Greed has less rim weight than you’d expect from most W-shaped yo-yos. It’ll feel lighter on string hits and overall feel like it has less momentum. This is not advertised as a competition-oriented yo-yo and that is true in its play. That is completely fine if you are a fan of One Drop, CLYW, and other companies that hold off on the rim weight.
The Greed does away with any sort of thumb grind rim (which was present on the Pride), and instead has a very pointy hub. I liked this on the Hawk, but it feels almost dangerously sharp here. I have the same gripe about the General-Yo Legato. They will wear down over time, but I don’t feel that it was a good decision to have the hub spikes this sharp regardless.
JT: I am more of an H/O-type hybrid guy these days in terms of my preferred shape. Thus I should admit up front that shapes similar to that of the One Drop Gradient don’t jive as much with me. Having said that, I have enjoyed playing with the Greed and I can say that I prefer over the One Drop Gradient. This is probably due to the shape pushing more towards a W-type, lending itself to bit more stability and control in a slightly smaller and lighter package. Perhaps it isn’t a fair comparison, but I am sticking with it!
The control aspect is worth harping on. One thing about the Gradient was that it always feels like it is on the verge of being out of control. It is notable that Dan mentioned this as one of the goals of the Greed. Living on the edge, so to speak. However, while the Greed can certainly be pushed around easily from string to string, I never felt like it was about to break free from my control.
The Greed has a nice smooth feel on its throw other than a slight “thunk” as it hits its string dead zone. Spin times were good but not stellar. However, I should point out that this is very likely due to me using MFD Ape Hangers as my review strings. Ape Hangers do tend to be grabby with certain response pads. The stock string shipped with the Greed seemed to work better. I recommend using the Greed with slicker or thinner strings.
Some final things to note. There is a lack of any meaningful inner grind ring for thumb grinds. Horizontal finger spins seem decent thanks to the extra indentation around the hub spike. The spikes themselves can be used for spins and matador tricks, but they are ridiculously sharp . The surface finish is great for finger grinds although, as I often find with yo-yos using H-type concave centers, if your finger fits a little too well into the H-type slot then you may run into excess friction when finger grinding.
DL: If you love the Benchmark W, consider the Greed. It plays lighter with the same amount of spin power. I personally don’t like W-shapes that are light on the rim weight, but I know there are many throwers out there who do. The Greed is kind of a jack-of-all-trades, with that spike and a cup area that works with finger spins. It’s definitely not the best in category at any one thing, but in the end it is still a well-designed yo-yo. If you like the shape and the finish then you will like it.
JT: Overall, the Greed is nice modified W-type yo-yo with some minor H-type elements. If you are a fan of shapes like the One Drop Gradient but want something with a bit more control and stability, or if you like W-types with a bit of flair, then the Greed is certainly worth a look. You aren’t going to get the same type of momentum as with shapes that pack a lot of material into the rim, but that is OK because most collections have room for various shapes and the Greed is still a great player. I think that Dan at Deadly SpINS has created the yo-yo that he hoped to with the Greed.
Thanks again to Darren L. for helping out with this joint review. Also thanks to MonkeyfingeR Design for providing all of the Ape Hanger strings used for this and other reviews.
Yay, Nay, Could-go-either-way Summary
Please keep in mind that these are purely subjective. One thrower’s negatives may be another thrower’s positives, and vice versa. These were compiled by both Darren and myself.
+ Design: refreshingly light and fast for a W-stype yo-yo.
+ Stability: not as stable as more rim weighted yo-yos, but still good.
+ Control: the lean toward the W-type shape provides better control than other yo-yos using a concave H-type center.
+ Weight Distribution: the Greed’s weight distribution gives it a nice middle-of-the-road feel and smooth play.
+ Surface Finish: gotta love the available colour splashes and surface feel.
– Spin Times: the Greed feels like it lacks spin time as a result of its feel. This might be due to the combination of response pads and string.
– Bearing: the stock bearing comes heavily lubed and needs cleaning. This may not be an issue with all Greeds but keep it in mind.
– Inner Grind Ring: there aren’t any inner functional grind rings thumb grinds.
+/- Hub Spikes: the hub spike are very sharp, but they are good for matador tricks and finger spins if you can nail them.
+/- Finger Grinds: the surface finish is great for grinding but success may be hampered if your finger fits into the H-type slot a little too well.